Question:
What to look for in an AR ?
?
2010-02-28 17:22:41 UTC
Okay so I'm looking to get an AR-15 sometime soon (in ..223) and was wondering -- When looking at one, what should I look for?
Also, could you please suggest some reliable brands that run under $1,000?
Can you share some positive/negative experiences you've had with the AR ?
Six answers:
randy
2010-02-28 20:11:45 UTC
First, do not buy it in .223 winchester. Get the 5.56 version. If you buy it in .223, you cannot fire 5.56 ammo in it, but if you buy it chambered for 5.56mm you can fire both in it.

If you buy from any of the quality manufacturers, you won't be unhappy, but I tend to lean towards DPMS right now. Check CDNNSPORTSINC.COM, they offer some good ones at around $700.00

Hess manufacturing (now out of business and under a new name) offered junk. Avoid any that have one of their lower receivers. Try not to buy someones "built it themselves parts guns" because if they didn't know what they were doing, you get some major problems. Stag arms is very good, as is bushmaster, and olympic arms isn't bad, but they had a run of poor quality parts a few years ago that soured me on their products.

If you shoot much, make sure it has a chromed chamber and bolt carrier. if you don't shoot a lot, it's not an must have. Purchase spare gas rings (the new one piece ones are great) and a spare firing pin, ejector and spring and extractor and spring, as well as a firing pin retention pin. these are the parts that seem to need replacement most often.

Keep it CLEAN!!!

Shoot safe
Jeff
2010-02-28 17:36:15 UTC
I am the wrong guy to ask... I still use the old fashioned A2 20 inch versions...with iron sights and no rail, lights, optics, cross bow, rocket launcher or Coleman stove tacked on.



As a minimum... you want a Wyld Chamber (cut for 223 or Nato 5.6 ammo) chromed bore and chamber. Twist rate is someting to pay attention too... most folks like a 1/7 or 1/9 and that goes hand in hand with the bullet weights you plan to use the most.



Right now you can find NIB Bushmasters and DPMS rifles in the $700-1000 range. For a few bucks more your looking at Smith and Wessons ...maybe even Rock Rivers or some Colts...
Flammen Woofer
2010-02-28 17:53:00 UTC
I'm not quite sure exactly what you want to use it for but here are some of the better manufacturers whose rifles can be had for >$1000 new: Colt, S&W, Bushmaster, Stag, RRA. Stay away from Olympic Arms, Cavalry Arms and DPMS unless you value price over function.



Personally I've had the best experiences with Colt (6940), S&W (M&P15OR), and Bushmaster (BMAS) ARs. None had any malfunctions in ~1000 rounds and all were very well built and nicely finished (although the Colt's finish was a little nice than the S&W or Bushmaster).



DPMS has been the crappiest I've had the pleasure of handling so far. I know a lot of people like them but the two rifles I used were crap. They felt cheap, jammed up more than average and one didn't even have a forward assist. Overall the impression I got was of a "value" AR that's more geared towards casual plinking and less towards serious defensive purposes.
Badkharma
2010-02-28 18:43:57 UTC
To begin, most commercial ARs in the price range you specified are built to Mil-Spec tolerances and expectations. As a result, they are more alike than distinctive. Aside from fit, finish and extras (grips, rails, gas system lengths, receiver set-ups, etc, etc), your decision should be based off of value and customer service, not necessarily a fancy name or laser-etched logo on the receiver.



That said, specific requirements are necessary to accomplish match grade accuracy. If you're not planning on plugging varmints past 200 yards or shooting match with the weapon, an all purpose rifle is your best bet.



For that purpose, it's hard to beat a 16" barrel. They are maneuverable, light and more accurate than many would have you believe. For a nominal price increase, you should go with the chrome lined option as it extends barrel life and durability. I would recommend 1:9 twist as it was designed specifically to stabilize the widest range of ammunition, perfect for a plinking/SHTF combination rifle.



The Wylde chamber is more costly than it's truly worth, and I suggest you get a weapon rated at 5.56 NATO. It will shoot .223 with no problems, but can support the higher pressures of the military cartridge. I prefer a flat top A4 upper. If you plan on using any sort of optic, this feature is invaluable. Furthermore, detachable iron sights and carry handles are available at nominal cost, leaving you the option to switch out as you see fit. Mounting optics on top of an existing handle leaves most shooters struggling for the appropriate cheek weld to the stock.



Stag Arms, Rock River, S&W, and DPMS all have proven track records and are all brands that I might suggest. I prefer RR, as they come standard with a two-stage trigger, Hogue pistol grip and offer multiple configurations for you to choose directly from the factory. Bushmaster has more supporters than it ought to, especially with what it's done to the ACR. Most people "in the know" don't buy them, and for good reason.
?
2010-02-28 17:29:43 UTC
You have asked an extremely open ended question. What are your intentions with the AR? Target? Defense? Plinking? Bragging rights?

Do you want to scope it or red dot it?



I would suggest an A3 upper, A2 buttstock, free float handgaurd, 20 inch medium heavy barrel with target crown and no flash suppressor. Bushmaster, DPMS, Stag, Double Star, Rock River, and Colt.
David S
2010-03-01 09:14:41 UTC
Do yourself a favor and do some research before you buy, you will thank me later.



I suggest you go to m4cabine.net

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=6642 - Comparison Chart of Major AR Brands



http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=7355



and AR15.com


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