Do professionals carry Glocks with "one in the pipe"?

Question

Is that why so many commercial holsters cover the trigger, in order to allow that? I can't really see having to pull it, and then rack the slide, in an emergency.

Does a "New York trigger" with the heavier pull requirement deal with the problem of unintended discharge? Do any professional groups, military, police, private security, or shooting teams, require use of the Cominolli safety?

Answer 1

Absolutly... Full clip one chambered.

Glocks have a "double trigger", (like a raised trigger on top of the trigger), as the S&W Sigma has a split trigger. So unless your finger is actually on the trigger depressing the "safety" the gun cannot fire. Suposidlly it will also not fire if the trigger is snagged on something. Which on the Sigma I know works... Unless your finger is on the whole trigger it will not fire, if something snagged the bottom or top it wouldn't engage. Perfectly safe to carry chambered, a I'd assume Glocks are too being that S&W was sued by Glock for "copying" the design... My SW9P gets carried like that all the time.



I suppose the heavy trigger could attribute to accidental discharge, but I highly doubt it. They were designed to be carried with a round chambered. Our police & FBI wouldn't carry a pistol that they couldn't carry without a round chambered. These guns aren't made to shoot in compititions, they are excellent duty guns because of duribility, can sustain heavy use between cleanings (although you should ALWAYS clean between shooting unless in a warlike situation where you cannot) and among other things can be very high capacity... there like the AK of the pistol world. They are no where near as accurate as a nice Kimber... Or Para, if you want to shoot competition get a kimber. But for self defense or duty the accuracy of Glocks, Sigmas (and like pistols) is just fine.



As far as the safety you asked about... Sorry I have no idea..

Answer 2

I don't know where this idea started that you should carry WITHOUT one in the pipe...except if you are new to carrying and are overly worried.



I don't know a time when commercial holsters DIDN'T cover the trigger. Even back in the old west days when there weren't transfer bars and carrying an empty chamber of the cylinder lined up with the hammer was common, the holster covered the trigger.



No matter what, you don't want foreign objects getting into the trigger area and snagging it.

Answer 3

If anyone is carrying a handgun for immediate use, there should be one in the pipe. It is pretty much a waste to carry a handgun without it being ready for use. If you have to do anything more that point and click, you could be dead. In less critical circumstances, it would be fine to carry with the chamber empty. My son and I run around on ATVs quite frequently carrying hand guns. He always carries his XD-45 without one in the chamber in that case. We pulled up on a feeder one time that had a varmint by it. In one fluid motion, he drew and while bringing the hand gun up to firing position, cycled the action and had the second hand on the grip by the time it was up into firing position and then fired. The process took less than 1.5 seconds, which might be at least .5 seconds too long if your live depends upon it. Practice and familiarity helps a lot.

Answer 4

I am in the USAF and we are trained to carry with one in the chamber and have the safety off. So naturally I carry my personnel weapon in the same fashion. That way if something does happen I rely on my muscle memory to draw, point and shoot. I carry a Sig 220 that doesn't even have a safety. I have never had a problem with accidental discharges. Big thing is always treat every gun as if it were loaded and always use a holster that covers the trigger.



I know the Army doesn't train to carry with one in the chamber. This is sad because all the accidental discharges we have out here (Afghanistan) are Army. Mainly because they don't treat every gun as if it were loaded. Somehow they accidentally chamber a round without knowing it. Then they screw around and drop the mag and think it is clear. Then they pull the trigger.





Don't listen to Glacier wolf. You can not take your gun out early to chamber a round. He is right about situational awareness but if your at the point you know you need a gun, weather you have one in the chamber or not, that is when it is legal to draw a gun. Also a police officer isn't going to take your word for it that you didn't have a round in the chamber. He/she is going to make you clear the gun fully. Or take it from you and clear the gun.

Answer 5

a million) Many triggers are lined to cover the officer from somebody attempting to get their weapon from at the back of and hearth it.(years in the past 1970 it became a front destroy holster layout) 2) Heavy pull is what you wan to thave as you administration each shot, Hair triggers are risky at superb 3) Many weapons right this moment bypass under a california protection regulation of the 2007 for protection a mag Disconnect. As many weapons are using this easy plan besides as many different jurisdictions require one among those device for todays weapons to additionally be bought in those states.

Answer 6

I would say that every person who carries any semi-auto gun, so long as they have half a brain, carries it in condition one, or if that gun does not carry a mechanical safety, condition zero. Having a gun that is not ready to fire within a few seconds is no better than having an unloaded gun, if the excrement impacts the propeller.



As for the rest of your questions, I haven't a clue.

Answer 7

For years the Israelis trained to draw and rack the slide in the same motion...the difference between empty chamber and full was measured in hundredths of a second.

Answer 8

I carry a .357 Magnum...with 6 "in the pipe".

Answer 9

You mean with a round in the chamber? Yes.

Answer 10

Nearly all uniform police officers who use a semi-auto pistol will have a pistol in 'Conditon 1' - 'one in the pipe' but this is not limited to just Glocks. It's for all semi-auto.



Having 'One in the Pipe' has too many downfalls for me to carry this way. You dramatically increase the chances of having an accidental discharge. It drastically complicates matters when you meet or contact a police officer - instead of just dropping the mag and calling it unloaded - now you have to drop the mag, point into a safe location, and remove the round..... all while having a jettery and unhappy LEO next to you. And if there is no safe place to point your firearm - it gets locked into the LEO's vehicle and you get to wait around for along time until he is ready to give it back. Simply dropping the mag - is so much easier.



There are people who scream - but your gun is not loaded, not having one in the pipe will slow you down!!! Not really. I can draw, chamber, hit 3 targets 2X each in less than 2 seconds. Nothing unusual - most people can also do this in just one afternoon of practice at the range.



That - and most people should have the 'situational awareness' to realize something bad is about to happen. This allows you to draw a firearm, chamber a round, and have a nice fully loaded pistol in your hand - at the ready. However, people who carry in Condition 1 with 'one in the pipe' will usually still have their firearm in the holster at this point...... because they know they dont have to chamber a round. This makes them complacient. And causes them to loose valuable time.

Answer 11

no, because like Barry from iraqveteran8888 said, it's safer to carry with a loaded mag, and c0ck as you draw, and daily practice to have a lightening fast draw time.



glocks have no Safeties. you might argue that internal safeties tied into the trigger count, but in practicality and reality, they don't because the bang button is never safe unless you're pointing downrange, or performing maintenance/dryfire with snap caps.

Answer 12

A real pro doesn't carry a Glock!

Answer 13

Yes we do.