Question:
Can someone better explain this new ATF ruling? About stocks on handguns and SBR's.?
Fatefinger
2011-08-05 01:05:33 UTC
http://www.atf.gov/regulations-rulings/rulings/atf-rulings/atf-ruling-2011-4.pdf they changed a ruling when it comes to putting stocks on handguns.

From the way I'm reading it you can now put stocks on handguns AFTER the fact and not have to have them registered as SBR's if your not going to leave them like that or make a permanent conversion. So like you could get one of those stock sets for a glock handgun, put it on and your no longer commiting a felony. But if starts life as a rifle it doesn't work the same way. But I don't know if I'm reading this correctly. I just want some other looks at it.
Six answers:
2011-08-05 08:09:14 UTC
My understanding is that it allows you to convert a pistol into a rifle as long as the barrel is 16 inches and the OAL is 26 inches.



You cannot convert a pistol into an SBR.



You cannot convert a rifle into a pistol.



There are kits for 1911s that have a 16 inch barrel and a shoulder stock.



If you put the stock set on a Glock, you must have a 16 inch barrel.



If you have a Glock, and a stock for a Glock, you must have a 16 barrel also. If you have the stock and the Glock, without the 16 inch barrel, it is illegal.
corey h
2011-08-05 12:20:19 UTC
"From the way I'm reading it you can now put stocks on handguns AFTER the fact and not have to have them registered as SBR's if your not going to leave them like that or make a permanent conversion. So like you could get one of those stock sets for a glock handgun, put it on and your no longer commiting a felony"



Careful there, you left out the barrel length and overall length requirements that do not change under this ruling. This ruling is a clarification regarding the carbine conversion units available for Glocks, 1911s, and a few other pistols. It is using previous rulings and case law as background explaination for this ruling. It is saying that if you take a pistol and convert it into a rifle (16" bbl length, 26" overall length) you do not have to notify ATF and you can return it to its original configuration. There has been more and more questions regarding the legality of carbine conversion units over the last couple of years. Specifically, once a pistol is converted to a carbine can it be converted back to the original pistol configuration. This ruling simply clarifies that it is legal to do that.



If you have an pistol type AR-15, you can put an upper receiver with a 16" barrel on it and attach a shoulder stock and then later return it to the pistol configuration.



Any firearm originally manufactured as a rifle may not be converted into a pistol without first registering it as an NFA weapon (short barrel rifle). Once registered, it can be switched back and forth from rifle to SBR at any time.



If you have an AR-15 rifle and a second upper receiver assembly with a barrel less than 16" long and you do not own an AR type pistol, that remains illegal.



If you own a Glock pistol and a stock attatchment (Mako Tactical makes a nice Glock stock) and you do not own a 16" barrel for your glock pistol, that remains illegal.
DJ
2011-08-05 02:08:07 UTC
As I read it, nothing has changed, except that it more clearly defines that the T/C Encore kits are now legal, and further defines HOW they may be assembled.



To extend the letter of the rulings to apply to other firearms, here is an example, following the letter of this brief:



I can buy a Ruger Charger Pistol, then add a 10/22 rifle stock, and a 16"+ rifle barrel, and legally convert between the two. The 4th page specifically states that refitting a "handgun" into a rifle (16"+ barrel AND shoulder stock over 26" total length) does NOT constitute "making" a firearm, which would be regulated. It also holds that converting that new rifle BACK into a Charger would not constitute "making" a firearm, because the weapon STARTED as a handgun.



HOWEVER, if I start with a 10/22 rifle, I CANNOT add a Charger 10" barrel and a pistol stock, without re-listing the weapon with the NFA office (again, on page 4). This is how the law always has been. You can "up-convert" a handgun into a rifle, however, you cannot down-convert a rifle into a handgun without re-listing the weapon.



ALSO, on page 3, it confirms that even legal kits cannot be possessed in an SBR form, i.e. rifle barrel on a pistol stock, or 10" barrel on a shoulder stock. It confirms that these kits can be assembled as a RIFLE or a PISTOL, but NOT as an SBR. At the bottom of page 3 and top of 4, it specifically states that SBR's, or weapon parts in close proximity that could be assembled in that fashion, are regulated under the NFA. Basically, if you had ONLY 10" barrels for an AR-15, and ONLY rifle stocks in your possession, even with AR-15 "pistol" listed receivers, these would constitute SBR's, and be in violation of the NFA. HOWEVER, if you had pistol grips, rifle stocks, 10" barrels, and 16"+ barrels, AND pistol listed receivers, you are in the clear, so long as none are illegally assembled into SBR's.



So again, these rulings basically more clearly define that 1) rifle/handgun kits can be converted back and forth without recourse, 2) a handgun CAN be converted into a rifle (and back again) without re-listing, but 3) confirms that a rifle CANNOT be converted into a handgun without re-listing.



Specifically to answer your question, you cannot add a shoulder stock to your glock WITHOUT A 16"+ barrel (which doesn't work so well with a short-recoil weapon). Again, refer to the page break between pages 3 and 4. Short barreled rifles STILL fall under NFA registration and classification.



On a side note, in my own shop, on jobs where I have converted Chargers or AR-15 pistols into rifles, I am ALWAYS very careful to remove the short barrels FIRST before assembling the shoulder stocks (and removing long barrels before fixing pistol grips/stocks). The last thing I want is to get surprised by an inspection and have an "illegal" SBR that I hadn't finished converting INTO A LEGAL RIFLE sitting in my shop.
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2016-10-01 03:11:42 UTC
Glock Shoulder Stock
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2016-12-13 02:48:34 UTC
Glock 16 Inch Barrel
lana_sands
2011-08-05 01:17:17 UTC
Well for those with carbine stocks for Lugers & Hi powers this should make them happy.


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