Question:
Concealed Carry - Where do you NOT carry your firearm?
1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC
Concealed Carry - Where do you NOT carry your firearm?
Seventeen answers:
C T M
2012-07-27 09:12:40 UTC
I carry everywhere except where state law says I can't. If a store, restaurant or other place of business has a no guns sign up, I usually take my business and my money to another establishment that respects this countries 2nd amendment right, and my personal right to self protection and self sufficiency.



The recent in shooting in Colorado should open the entire countries eyes to the fact that these stupid no guns allowed signs only make it easier for criminals to operate with impunity and disarm the victims who might otherwise be able to defend themselves. A criminal by their very nature disregards the law and rules, the only people who obeyed the rules in this instance were the victims of the shooter. All it would have taken was one or more legally armed people in that theater to put a stop to the shooters rampage. Instead, the theaters policy of disarming their patrons is partially responsible for the victim count. You won't see the liberal media report on this though, instead they want to blame the gun for the shooting, not the shooter or the theaters policy.
lana_sands
2012-07-27 09:41:31 UTC
US post office, most banks ( mine has metal detector security doors at every branch), Courthouses & most Government buildings. Your job. Most work places have no gun / drug policies. Carry at your own risk of job. Schools. Airports. Bars & clubs? Depends on state. Typically thatis where things start.



Biggest NO NO? Crossing state borders. While many states honor your permit, they tend never to be next door. Here in PA I think only W Va. honors ours. Cross into NY, MD, NJ And your in trouble. God forbid you trying to cross into Mexico or Canada.....
2012-07-27 09:33:04 UTC
I carry mine everywhere but at my place of employment, as it's a mandatory firing offense to have one there. Otherwise, mine's by my side.
Zakonye
2012-07-27 13:43:11 UTC
Meet the teacher night is about the only time I don't carry. Can't even have a gun in their parking lot.



You're supposed to leave it in the car when going into the Post Office, but i usually forget
Paco
2012-07-27 10:47:08 UTC
I carry it everywhere I go when I am out of the house... If a business has a "No Guns Allowed" sign, I simply don't do business there... I even carry in church...but then so does my pastor, who is a hunter and he also has a concealed carry license.
?
2012-07-27 09:46:23 UTC
Places where state or Federal law say I can't.
f100_supersabre
2012-07-27 09:23:47 UTC
Caine Toad is correct.

IF you plan to carry, you do so ALL the time; AND you become proficient in the use of your weapon.

It does you NO good IF you are NOT carrying it; OR are NOT proficient in it's use.
2012-07-27 09:22:27 UTC
Bars, schools, Federal Buildings, Court Houses etc...
fuzzywuzzy
2012-07-27 09:21:49 UTC
TAFKAN, I would suggest you look into carrying at church. I have talked to the pastor and several deacons of my church, and they actually say they feel more comfortable knowing I carry in church.



I think you would be interested to know, so far this year(2012), there have been 63 incidents in churches, leaving 38 killed, more injured. This statistic may be high, because it includes homicides, suicides, robberies, etc... practically everything.





February 14, 2010 - Richmond, California - Three hooded men

walk into Gethsemane Church of God in Christ and opened

fire and then fled the scene, as the singing of the choir

was replaced by frightened screams. The two victims, a 14-

year-old boy and a 19-year-old man, were hospitalized.



March 8, 2009 - Maryville, Illinois - Suspect Terry Joe

Sedlacek, 27, of Troy, walks into the First Baptist Church,

and shoots pastor Fred Winters dead, point blank. Several

church members are injured by a knife in the struggle to

capture after the attack, The suspect also had stabbed

himself, but survived, when his gun jams.



July 27, 2008 - Knoxville, Tennessee - A gunman opens fire

in a church during a youth performance, killing two people

and injuring seven.



Dec. 9, 2007 - Colorado - Three people are killed and five

wounded in two shooting rampages, one at a missionary

school in suburban Denver and one at a church in Colorado

Springs. The gunman in the second incident is killed by a

guard.



May 20, 2007 - Moscow, Idaho - A standoff between police

and a suspect in the shootings of three people in a

Presbyterian Church ended with three dead, including one

police officer.



Aug. 12, 2007 - Neosho, Missouri - First Congregational

Church - 3 killed - Eiken Elam Saimon shot and killed the

pastor and two deacons and wounded five others.



May 21, 2006 - Baton Rouge, Louisiana - The Ministry of

Jesus Christ Church - 4 killed - The four at the church who

were shot were members of Erica Bell's family; she was

abducted and murdered elsewhere; Bell's mother, church

pastor Claudia Brown, was seriously wounded - Anthony Bell,

25, was the shooter.



Feb. 26, 2006 - Detroit, Michigan - Zion Hope Missionary

Baptist Church - 2 killed + shooter - Kevin L. Collins, who

reportedly went to the church looking for his girlfriend,

later killed himself.



April 9, 2005 - College Park, Georgia - A 27-year-old

airman died after being shot at a church, where he had once

worked as a security guard.



March 12, 2005 - Brookfield, Wisconsin - Living Church of

God - 7 killed + shooter - Terry Ratzmann opened fire on

the congregation, killing seven and wounding four before

taking his own life.



July 30, 2005 - College Park, Georgia - World Changers

Church International - shooter killed - Air Force Staff

Sgt. John Givens was shot five times by a police officer

after charging the officer, following violent behavior.



Dec. 17, 2004, Garden Grove, Calif.: A veteran musician at

the Crystal Cathedral shoots himself to death after a nine

-hour standoff.



Oct. 5, 2003 - Atlanta, Georgia - Turner Monumental AME

Church - 2 killed + shooter - Shelia Wilson walked into the

church while preparations are being made for service and

shot the pastor, her mother and then herself.



June 10, 2002 - Conception, Missouri - Benedictine

monastery - 2 killed + shooter - Lloyd Robert Jeffress shot

four monks in the monastery killing two and wounding two,

before killing himself.



March 12, 2002 - Lynbrook, New York - Our Lady of Peace

Catholic Church - 2 killed - Peter Troy, a former mental

patient, opens fire during Mass, killing the priest and a

parishioner. He later receives a life sentence.



May 18, 2001 - Hopkinsville, Kentucky - Greater Oak

Missionary Baptist Church - 2 killed - Frederick Radford

stood up in the middle of a revival service and began

shooting at his estranged wife, Nicole Radford, killing her

and a woman trying to help her.



Sept. 15, 1999 - Fort Worth, Texas - Wedgewood Baptist

Church - 7 killed + shooter - Larry Gene Ashbrook shot dead

seven people and injured a further seven at a concert by

Christian rock group Forty Days in Fort Worth, Texas before

killing himself.



April 15, 1999 - Salt Lake City, Utah - LDS Church Family

History Library - 2 killed + shooter - Sergei Babarin, 70,

with a history of mental illness, entered the library,

killed two people and wounded four others before he was

gunned down by police.



Check out the link below for more interesting "church" statistics.
?
2012-07-27 15:25:47 UTC
In Colorado, I will be carrying everywhere except where the law restricts it. Which is federal buildings, Schools K-12, and any private business that has a guard and/or metal detectors at every entrance specifically to prohibit carrying. All the "no guns allowed" signs in Colorado can lawfully be ignored otherwise. The only recourse a business owner would have is to throw you out.
Greg
2012-07-27 10:38:41 UTC
I'll add to the group that carries everywhere I legally can carry, with the exception of my place of work.



I don't carry at work since there is an administrative policy prohibiting firearms (I work on a military installation), and I don't feel like potentially losing my job. Contrary to popular internet rumor, there is no Federal statute that prohibits concealed carry by permit holders.

"18 USC 930 (d) Subsection (a) shall not apply to— ...

(3) the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful purposes."



Here in Texas, with a CHL, concealed carry is an "other lawful purpose" and therefore not considered unlawful under Federal statute. This was confirmed several years ago by my organization's general counsel and by the local Federal prosecutor. So, neither Texas nor Federal law prohibits carry on a military installation (or other Federal property, with the exception of courthouses), but a Post Regulation (administrative, not statutory) prohibits it. Since folks can be fired for breaking adminstrative rules, I choose not to be the test case.



I do carry in church since Texas law was amended to allow this.



I don't carry in the secure are of an airport, but do carry in the lobby areas when dropping someone off or picking them up, since that is legal.



I don't go to bars, which have to display a "51% sign" by Texas law that warns patrons that 51% of the business revenue comes from alcohol sales and carry is illegal there.



I haven't recently seen a Texas "30.06 sign" that allows private businesses to opt out and prevent concealed carry on their premises. There were some that went up right after concealed carry started here (shortly after the Killeen Luby's massacre), but I haven't seen one in over 7 years. The little gun with a red circle and slash can be (and is) ignored. It has no traction is Texas law. Interestingly, one branch of my bank has such a sign and the other three that I've visited don't. The one that has it also has a police sub-station in it. Either way, it can be ignored since signs must comply with the 30.06 sign or be one of the statutory places where carry is illegal (schools, sporting events, courthouse, correctional facility, polling places). The only one of these I visit regularly is polling places.
Rick407
2012-07-28 04:43:10 UTC
I used to rarely carry because what I had was too large, heavy, uncomfortable, and hard to conceal in the shorts and tee shirt culture here in Florida, so a bought a small light 380 for everyday use.



Here in Florida, they asserted state law over local laws, so we long longer have a patchwork of this park, but not that park, this building, but not that building. It's made things a lot easier and I feel that I can carry without worrying about breaking the law. Sure, not on school grounds, in a bar, or some government buildings, and a few other places, but the list is short and reasonable.



My employer doesn't allow carry at work, so it stays in the car. I don't bother carrying to church if that's the only place I'm going (I feel safe there). But I can understand why others do.



But I do carry to the movies, and I am allowed to to do so here. At the recent shooting in Colorado, it wasn't allowed and some law abiding citizens many have paid with their lives for that short sighted rule.
2016-02-23 03:28:19 UTC
Actually, it can be a HUGE problem depending on the jurisdiction you're in. In most states, concealed carry means precisely that: don't let busybodies see or know that you're packing. It's always some Sarah Brady panicky nimrod with a cellphone, too... Cops hate "man with a gun" calls, especially when it's some bonehead who should have his concealed weapon...uh, concealed. You don't want to be put down and cuffed and embarassed. Besides, you're giving up your tactical advantage if people can tell you're carrying. The only time anyone should know is when you mean to produce it...which should be when you're in fear of your life.
WC
2012-07-28 03:51:51 UTC
Where ever it is illegal to do so in accordance with the rules in the state CCW manual.
acmeraven
2012-07-27 12:25:43 UTC
The shower.
2012-07-27 16:07:37 UTC
In the front of my pants
French Fry Hunter
2012-07-27 11:45:52 UTC
I NEVER carry it slung from my testicles or tucked between my butt cheeks.


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