Question:
Opinion on guns?
Colter B
2007-08-23 18:28:40 UTC
How do you guys feel about guns? I am from America and we love them over here (most of us do anyway). I just want to see how another part of the world feels about the same issue.
34 answers:
2007-08-23 19:43:25 UTC
I like the way all of the Brits chimed in on this issue. But, if my knowledge of history serves me correctly, James Madison (a fellow Virginian) penned the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America based specifically on the lessons learned of an oppressive government -- England -- over her colonies.



Don't get me wrong, I love the UK and the people that I have met there. I have been there many times; in fact, I spent a good part of this June in London and the surrounding area. But, IMHO, this is not an issue one can fully understand without living here in the States. And from its inception, the Second Amendment is primarily in place to protect the citizens from the government.



Secondly: Is there violence with guns? Sure there is. I work in an emergency room and have for 9 years. I have to say that I have seen many people shot. Not one was an accident. Almost all of the people I have seen shot were bad people shot by other bad people... the kind of people that don't obey laws. And I for one, do not want these criminals being the only armed individuals in our society.
Chris H
2007-08-24 07:23:11 UTC
I was a shooter in the UJ, I was a member of Bedford Shooting Club on Clapham Rd in Bedford. The laws for ownership of firearms in the UK required a 100% clean criminal record and you had to be a member in good standing at a club or had to have written permission to hunt. The thing is that that no-criminal-record requirement is higher than the standard for being a police officer, so if you need ten people with a completely clean record in Britain you'll find them at a gun club.



There were two major incidents in the UK, Michael Ryan in Hungerford was the first and Thomas Hamilton in Dunblane was the second. Michael Ryan was a nutcase and I was too young to really remember the full story. Thomas Hamilton was a Freemason and a shot with the police, he had been accused of sexual assault against children and he had threatened a female police officer, with a shotgun, when she came to check whether he was still a suitable person to own firearms. She recomended that he was not, the chief constable, also a Freemason, signed off his application anyway.



Banning firearms in the UK made absolutely no difference to the gun crime rate. The rate continued to climb, no faster and no slower. What this demonstrated was that there was no link between legal ownsership and illegal usage.



Now I live in California and I have a good sized collection of equipment and I haven't shot anyone. I live in an area that has strong controls on gun ownership and also very high gun crime, 150 people were murdered within ten miles of where I sit last year. Mostly with guns. That's more than the whole of the UK. This year they are on track to do the same thing again. Boston has similar laws and similar crime rates, this just shows that as in the UK legal ownership does nothing to control gun crime. Interestingly New Hampshire has very little crime and it is just north of Boston, I wonder if that has anything to do with the easy availability of carry permits in NH?



I enjoy shooting, I enjoy going to the range and shooting better than most people. I like firearms as machines, that's probably why I have so many, I've always been fascinated with mechanisms.



It is strange that while politicians go on and on about gun control almost everyone I know, even the "lefty liberal mountain biking tree huggers" either own guns or like to go shooting when they get the chance.



Politicians seem to be out of step with the general population on this issue.



I worked out the gun crime statistics in the UK properly and the claim above is bogus, the US has about 44 times the gun crime rate that the UK has. The US has more gun murders than the UK has gun crimes. The population of the UK is around 65 Million. In 2005 the US had around 17,000 murders and the US had under 12,000 gun crimes. Some of these were minor involving replicas and air guns.
Brad
2007-08-24 09:15:28 UTC
From the age of 6 I have been into hunting and around guns so I do enjoy using them, on the other hand I was not allowed to fire one till I was at least 9.

Before I shot I had to learn to treat and respect the tool in my hands, as well as the pry I hunted.

The key in this is respect, if you can not respect a gun you should not pick one up. I think many of you Hunters out there will agree with me that anyone who commits a crime with a gun dose so with out respect.

Over hear in the Uk we are governed by laws when it comes down to firearms and shotguns, both of which require 2 separat licences,

Firearms certificate for rifles ect and shotgun certificate for smoothbores, For both of these licenceing methods there are legislations as long as a giraffes neck..

Laws are changing all the time over hear as things happen, in the last week there has been 2 murders by guns, one a biker and the othere an 11 yer old. The government will be seen to do something and the general public will form there own opinions on guns once again,,, Guess who gets it in the neck though,,, all us people who are licenced and respect thes weapons.

All the crime in this country and many others, is always down to illegal guns.

When I say an illegal gun it is a gun that has no regestration code and can not be traced to an owner,, not like us certificate holders whos guns are all regesterd .

Like at the beginning I stated I started young and had to learn how to respect guns, now there even deciding to make it illegal for anyone under 18 to use a gun,, what hope have we.

I suppose if you live in the abnormal long enough it soon becomes the normal.

There are a lot of respectable people over hear who enjoy there sport, keep them self’s to there self’s are a member of some organisation or governing body that insures them, and above all they keep to our laws,

Its just a shame its spoilt by brain dead idiots
H
2007-08-24 03:19:58 UTC
Opinion on guns? Guns Good! Bad people... BAD! Guns keep bad people in check.



Best.



H
stingray4540
2007-08-24 01:54:08 UTC
If guns kill people, then I blame my keyboard for misz spelding werds.



Some fun facts:



Great Britain has more gun crime PER CAPITA than the US, even with there gun bans.



Great Britains gun crime went up after there gun ban.



We have no problem giving a 16 year old kid, free reins to operate a car, which kill more people and cause more property damage, than guns do, but we cry about a responsible adult taking responsibility for there own safety and the safety of there family.



Here's an intersting read:

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf



And this:

http://www.seanbonner.com/blog/archives/002440.php

http://www.gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-facts/4.2/GunFacts4-2-Screen.pdf





BTW: Lets ban guns. Ya, that's a great idea, we ban drugs, but guess what, they are all over the place. Criminals don't obey the law, DUH! A ban on guns will only make law obeying citizens easy targets. Oh yeah, plus you're gonna have a hard time getting around a tiny thing we call the second ammendment.





If gun control saves one childs life, then it's worth it. Oh, so should we ban cars, water, and fire too? So if we save one childs life then it's worth it, even if a hundred adults die, because they were unable to defend themselves?



Number of children dead, ages 0-14 from:



Gun accidents = 142

Run over by cars = 550

Drowned = 800

Burned to death = 660

Died inside carss = 1850



Hmmm... guns aren't looking so bad after all.



If you are against guns, you are ignorant, plain and simple. Look up the facts, and quit believing all the misleading bullsh** propoganda from the anti-gun crowd. The facts are out there, you just gotta take your head outta your a** for five minutes to find them.
2007-08-26 09:03:29 UTC
In the UK it's an honour and a privilege to own either a shotgun or a rifle.

As a shotgun/rifle owner I feel privileged to belong to a generally law abiding group who are in the same position as me.

What ruins it for us chosen ones is the scum with un licensed guns who shoot and kill people for no apparent reason.

I'm just counting the days 'til the Pheasant season starts and hope I'll be able to do so for the rest of my days.
2007-08-23 18:59:18 UTC
I live in the uk and as you probably already know

this country has very strict firearms laws

guns uptil recently have not been a big problem in the uk

apart from between feuding drug gangs in london and manchester who are mostly jamaican yardies not all cases of gun crime here are just yardies there is other minority groups who will intimidate each other for money and drugs and territory,and recently air weapons and fake guns have been modified to shoot bullets instead of bb pellets

I personally think the uk has come this far without any "real"

gun culture so there would be little point to start one,even the uniformed police arent armed,but they have specialist armed back up units patrolling london and major cities in the uk 24/7! These[Trojan] will be called in for gun or knife situations and they will shoot to kill when they are forced to draw their gun in anger ,also scotland yard has an elitist firearm unit for royalty and vip protection,you mostly never really see them around because they travel covertly in ordinary vehicles and in civilian dress but they are around .

to sum it up i think the uk doesn;t need guns as the norm

its running along nicely as it is now.
boker_magnum
2007-08-23 19:56:48 UTC
From Virginia here, I shoot 3 days a week, sometimes more. I average between 2 and 3.5 thousand rounds each month. Everything from 22 to 7.62x54, 12 gauge, 20 gauge, pistols, rifles, class 3, you name it. On average I'd say i shoot 30 or more different guns a month, not mine, but fellow members of the rifle range's guns. How do I feel about guns?





Pretty damn good.
BarneyFife
2007-08-23 19:05:00 UTC
I see we have a few gun haters here,let me say this now.How can you blame guns entirely for all violent crime commited with them.what about parents raising their kids in front of the tv or video games that glorify killing other people.have you raised you kids right?we seem to be the only country that has this problem and the problem is far deeper rooted than guns,it is more based on lack of parental involvment and /or discipline.I was raised around guns,as were millions of americans who go through life everyday not commiting violent/any gun crimes.but I will tell you one thing,outlawing guns will not prevent crime of anykind in which guns are involved,here are a few gun control advocates,Adolf Hitler,Benito Mussolini,Josef Stalin,and these are just a few.I could write all day about 2nd amendment rights,as well as they could about how good the brady bill is,but I believe parents need to take a more active role in their kids life,start supervising their use of violent movies and video games,and start kicking their **** when they get in trouble,time outs suck,kids need to learn that there is a consequence to every action they do,good and bad,and time outs do not do this ,in other words,if gun control is so wonderful,how come all this type of crime has sky rocketed since gun control was introduced.,btw,I am 100% for background checks and maybe a little for short

waiting periods,but thats as far as it goes.
DT89ACE
2007-08-24 09:11:06 UTC
"25 States allow anyone to buy a gun, strap it on, and walk down the street with no permit of any kind: some say it's crazy. However, 4 out of 5 U.S. murders are committed in the other half of the country: so who is crazy?" -Andrew Ford



I mis-spell a words on the PC sometimes. I'm from the USA and I DESPISE keyboards. How dare it misspell words. Just pick itself up and misspell things, and use poor grammar in putting together sentences. I think we should ban keyboards.



And spoons. We wouldn't have an obesity epidemic in the USA if we BANNED SPOONS! Make sporks the only legal utensil with full licensing and registration. That way people can't shovel food into their mouths so easily and make themselves fat. I DESPISE SPOONS for making us fat and dying cause of cardiac arrest.



Drunk and impaired drivers kill thousands annually - we should make drugs ILLEGAL and restart PROHIBITION. That worked out GREAT the last time around...people just stopped drinking. Making drugs illegal totally stopped the drug problem too. I DESPISE DRUGS AND ALCOHOL for what drunk and impaired DRIVERS do. Thats perfect logic.



Did you know cavemen NEVER murdered people with sticks, rocks, and sharpened objects? Murder only started when guns were invented. Up until then people were perfect, there was NO crime, and NO criminals. If we ban guns there will never be any crime. People won't get stabbed, there won't be a black market gun trade, and all the criminals will turn in their guns. Just like that.



After all, no one needs to be disciplined in the mastery of marksmanship, have fun target shooting, no one needs to harvest animals for food and control over-populated deer...no one needs to defend their house, family, and country from criminals and tyrants. Did you know the Japenese didn't invade the mainland US cause we have flowers?



It couldn't be because there is "a gun behind every blade of grass"?



Remember, base-ball bats beat rival gang members to death.

Steak knives stab people who have been raped.

Mercedes cars run over cheating husbands.

Golf clubs kill teenage girls like Marth Moxley in Greenwich CT.

Oldsmobiles drive pregnant women off the Chappaquittick River bridge.

And guns pick themselves up and shoot people OR they FORCE bad people to commit crimes.



Yeah. Thats logical.



Gun control means using both hands.



Anyone who thinks guns are the problem, or thinks they should be banned or more regulated belongs in a mental institution and can kiss my ***.
chewy
2007-08-23 18:43:38 UTC
I grew up on a farm. Learning to use a gun was a necessity. From varmint shooting, or just keeping the birds out of the berries.



Now I'm older and in a city, still have the guns. They give me peace of mind in case a burglar or the like were to come into my home. If the big dogs dont deter him, my 45 would stop him from hurting me an mine for sure.



I wouldnt necessarily say all americans love gun's. My wife dont love them. She does understand why I still have them.



Gun-Safety has been an important topic with my kids, and as they grow into adults, they wont be bigots for or against guns and will be able to make their own choice.



You never know how much you really like the ability to have a gun until you really need one to keep you're life.
2007-08-24 05:17:06 UTC
I hate all these anti gun people they need to get a life they need to take a good look around before they run their mouths.For example people did every day in car accidents so why dont they go complain to car companies.People all over the world drown in water every day.So are you gonna stop drinking water because it kills.
T.Long
2007-08-23 19:06:27 UTC
I am from Pennsylvania, and guns are a big, important part of my life. I am 14 and I have 5 of them, and I have the proper training when it comes to firearms. The most important thing is that you have to know how to use them, clean them, and to handle them. And remeber, guns do not kill people, crazy morons with guns kill people. And for all of the anti-gun people, a gun can sit there for 100 years and not harm one person, so don't say ''guns kill people'', because you are sadly mistaken. Shoot and hunt safely.
auburnfootball
2007-08-23 19:27:44 UTC
Im from tennessee, im 14, and i have 7 guns (biggest being a 12 ga shotgun, 30/30 rifle, and 9mm pistol) anyways i would hate to live in the us without guns,,, it would suck. they provide hours of entertainment at low cost, after you purchase the gun that is. besides even if we did outlaw all guns, theres gonna be no way to take away all of them. if people want to hav a gun bad enough theyre gonna get it. besides guns dont kill people, idiots with guns kill people.
beavizard
2007-08-23 22:49:41 UTC
Ok, I am a lifetime gun owner, shooter, veteran, 2nd amendment supporter.



Guns do not cause crime, a gun is a tool, albeit a deadly tool.



None of my firearms, outside of military service has ever taken a human life.



If you think banning guns will reduce gun-crime. Then you must think that heroin and cocaine are only a problem because if the NRA drug lobby.



Narcotics have been Illegal for about 100+ years in the U.S



But they are still available on every street corner in every major city or town in the country.



Only criminals buy drugs. But they are still everywhere,



If you outlaw guns?! do you think they will be any less available or lucrative than drugs.



No, only criminals will buy and profit from them!!!



You can not eliminate drug use or gun violence from any modern society.



But you can allow non-violent legal citizens to own any type of firearm they want to protect themselves from the violent, drug crazed, felons.



The 2nd amendment is not about hunting or collecting.



The 2nd amendment only refers to military type arms, for a citizen of a free state to exist and prosper, it has nothing to do with hunting!



If interpreted literally, every one of us is entitled to a "Nimitz Class carrier battle group" in our kiddie-pools, at our beck and call.



Gun ownership is the right of the average American Citizen.



"Shall not be infringed"



Is pretty plain to me!



Personal responsibility will always be my law.



You are responsible for every action you take, regardless of the tool you use.



Criminals should be punished according to the law!.



Those who opperate within the law and take responsibility for their own lives, families, and actions, are to be commended!



Those who are violent, dangerous thugs, you will meet justice!



Through Karma or the U.S penal code you will pay,



Semper Fi,



Steve
Steven C
2007-08-23 19:28:58 UTC
I have guns in my house for work and for play.
soulsource7
2007-08-23 20:33:14 UTC
You know what gets me about the whole liberal gun stance, other than their plain ignorance, is that they don't try to out law alcohol. More people die from that, whether it be medically based or drunk driving, than from guns.



Here's another one, let's get rid of all motor vehicles.



Or how about we get rid of all muslims. They kill/cause more to be killed than guns.



And lastly, lets take the fork away from Rosie, so we can help her from becoming even fatter!!!!
Kayla S
2007-08-24 13:15:44 UTC
The guts love their guns because they love to go hunting it's part of the out doors of hunting.
2007-08-23 19:54:13 UTC
i live in Kentucky and i love guns i would not live anywhere i cant have a gun and I'm glad we have some great gun show near where i live

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31vm3-BQRJU
2007-08-23 19:49:13 UTC
that is cute about the texas boy- i live in texas, and the boys around here wouldnt be boys with out guns, the start out with their bb guns and as they get older the guns get nicer, its apart of life out here- iam all for them.
2007-08-23 18:46:52 UTC
Guns are as how the user interprets them. They can be tools or weapons. You can use them for sport (Olympics), hunting, or for something malicious.



As far as *everyone* loving them, it really depends on the user. I like to shoot for sport and to hunt. (Wife hates them.) I see it as a tool, not a weapon. However, I watch the news and see that they are used in a violent way.



To each their own eh?
Answer Master Dude
2007-08-23 19:39:39 UTC
I support gun control...you should always use both hands!
2007-08-23 18:36:19 UTC
In my country China, the government strictly forbid the civilian use of gun.
HM
2007-08-24 06:58:06 UTC
"In my country China, the government strictly forbid the civilian use of gun."



And you guys are in great shape!
BladeSmith
2007-08-23 18:47:19 UTC
If guns kill people, as most of these idiots think, then mine is defective.
darkblade
2007-08-23 18:51:46 UTC
I love gun's there just so kool like the uzi 1 is such a powerful gun if you have one and some one brake's in to you home.



with one off them thay wount be long befor there going out of you home running.



The 9mm is just so kool for a hand gun's



As is the good old shotgun just so kool
Andrew1968
2007-08-23 18:33:28 UTC
guns don't kill , it's the people who use them are the ones to blame!
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2007-08-23 18:33:36 UTC
Guns don't kill people do
2007-08-23 18:33:19 UTC
guns dont kill people.............people kill people, be it gun knife or baseball bat
2007-08-23 18:54:12 UTC
America was built on gun violence at a time when these types of weapons were widely used. It has also polluted much of the world with its imagery of guns and this type of violence.

Trillions of pounds are spent on advertising each year because images sell big time. The more you normalise and farmilliarise society with guns......... I'm sure even you can work out the rest!
2007-08-23 18:34:31 UTC
You love guns? That is the reason behind all of Americas problems. Boys use guns to compensate for a lack of...'cough'.. manhood. My only fear is that my beloved England is following suit. When will people learn....



..... Bloody Yanks! Stupid to the core! If you don't sell guns to people then you won't have so much gun crime... Duh!! Open your eyes. Reading down the comments here is like reading the ramblings of an entire mental institute. How the hell can an admendent written over 200 years ago have any relevence today? Listen up wackos, the king of England is not going to invade (partly cos he's dead) so you don't need guns!!! Oh, for defense is it? If someone broke in to your house you'd shoot them? But guns don't kill people... or they do.... WAKE UP!!!!! Your argument for guns is childish, your want to keep them is ludricous and your whole nation is MAD!



For all of you crazy people who say the gun is a tool.... A TOOL FOR WHAT?!!! Killing/ maiming people or animals is all it can do.
2007-08-23 18:34:14 UTC
hehe. here we go



"im a texan and nobodys taking my gun off me."



the next day...



"i cant believe my son was shot dead. how can this be?"



words fail me about america's gun laws



even a handicapped panda can understand that more guns = more people murdered by guns
2007-08-24 11:32:30 UTC
I would encourage all to read the Federalist papers (for the functionally illiterate) the foundation documents that lead to the writings of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.



The right to keep and bear arms is a right.. As intended the 2nd amendment was the last resort of free men against tyranny. In my view it remains that. The Bill of Rights and Constitution have been usurped by people who want control over the population. In order to have that control, personal liberties are removed supposedly for the common good. (a communist thought process).

Since the late 1800s our government has been on a slippery slope of removal of freedoms and liberty from the individual in the name of the common good.



My passion for this is that I will defend a person's right to free speech with my firearm even IF what they are saying is something I find absolutely distainful.



Our government officials have become a group of traitors, the sooner we recognize it and do something the less painful it will be to correct the problem.

We have communists and socialists at the highest levels of governing in our Republic. Be responsible before its too late. Our Republic is in a dire straight. Illegal immigrants, Pork Barrel spending, legalized theft through the middle man of government, Be prepared for the outcome of failure to restore the Republic. I believe everyone of us has a responsibility to protect the original intent of our forefathers, John Jay, Madison, Jefferson, Adams, are rolling in their graves hoping the citizen will heed the call.





“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”



"On sheep, wolves and sheepdogs"



On sheep, wolves and sheepdogs



Honor never grows old, and honor rejoices the heart of age. It does so because honor is, finally, about defending those noble and worthy things that deserve defended, even if it comes at a high cost. In our time, that may mean social disapproval, public scorn, hardship, persecution, or as always, even death itself. The question remains: What is worth defending? What is worth dying for? What is worth living for?



– William J. Bennett - in a lecture to the United States Naval Academy

November 24, 1997



One Vietnam veteran, an old retired colonel, once said this to me: “Most of the people in our society are sheep. They are kind, gentle, productive creatures who can only hurt one another by accident.” This is true. Remember, the murder rate is six per 100,000 per year, and the aggravated assault rate is four per 1,000 per year. What this means is that the vast majority of Americans are not inclined to hurt one another.



Some estimates say that two million Americans are victims of violent crimes every year, a tragic, staggering number, perhaps an all-time record rate of violent crime. But there are almost 300 million Americans, which means that the odds of being a victim of violent crime is considerably less than one in a hundred on any given year. Furthermore, since many violent crimes are committed by repeat offenders, the actual number of violent citizens is considerably less than two million.



Thus there is a paradox, and we must grasp both ends of the situation: we may well be in the most violent times in history, but violence is still remarkably rare. This is because most citizens are kind, decent people who are not capable of hurting each other, except by accident or under extreme provocation. They are sheep.



I mean nothing negative by calling them sheep. To me it is like the pretty, blue robin’s egg. Inside it is soft and gooey but someday it will grow into something wonderful. But the egg cannot survive without its hard blue shell. Police officers, soldiers, and other warriors are like that shell, and someday the civilization they protect will grow into something wonderful. For now, though, they need warriors to protect them from the predators.



“Then there are the wolves,” the old war veteran said, “and the wolves feed on the sheep without mercy.” Do you believe there are wolves out there who will feed on the flock without mercy? You better believe it. There are evil men in this world and they are capable of evil deeds. The moment you forget that or pretend it is not so, you become a sheep. There is no safety in denial.



“Then there are sheepdogs,” he went on, “and I’m a sheepdog. I live to protect the flock and confront the wolf.”



If you have no capacity for violence then you are a healthy productive citizen: a sheep. If you have a capacity for violence and no empathy for your fellow citizens, then you have defined an aggressive sociopath, a wolf. But what if you have a capacity for violence, and a deep love for your fellow citizens? What do you have then? A sheepdog, a warrior, someone who is walking the hero’s path. Someone who can walk into the heart of darkness, into the universal human phobia, and walk out unscathed.



One career police officer wrote to me about this after attending one of my Bulletproof Mind training sessions:



I want to say thank you for finally shedding some light on why it is that I can do what I do. I always knew why I did it. I love my folks, even the bad ones, and had a talent that I could return to my community. I just couldn’t put my finger on why I could wade through the chaos, the gore, the sadness, if given a chance try to make it all better, and walk right out the other side.



Let me expand on this old soldier’s excellent model of the sheep, wolves, and sheepdogs. We know that the sheep live in denial that is what makes them sheep. They do not want to believe that there is evil in the world. They can accept the fact that fires can happen, which is why they want fire extinguishers, fire sprinklers, fire alarms and fire exits throughout their kids’ schools.



But many of them are outraged at the idea of putting an armed police officer in their kid’s school. Our children are thousands of times more likely to be killed or seriously injured by school violence than fire, but the sheep’s only response to the possibility of violence is denial. The idea of someone coming to kill or harm their child is just too hard, and so they chose the path of denial.



The sheep generally do not like the sheepdog. He looks a lot like the wolf. He has fangs and the capacity for violence. The difference, though, is that the sheepdog must not, can not and will not ever harm the sheep. Any sheep dog that intentionally harms the lowliest little lamb will be punished and removed. The world cannot work any other way, at least not in a representative democracy or a republic such as ours.



Still, the sheepdog disturbs the sheep. He is a constant reminder that there are wolves in the land. They would prefer that he didn’t tell them where to go, or give them traffic tickets, or stand at the ready in our airports in camouflage fatigues holding an M-16. The sheep would much rather have the sheepdog cash in his fangs, spray paint himself white, and go, “Baa.” Until the wolf shows up. Then the entire flock tries desperately to hide behind one lonely sheepdog.



The students, the victims, at Columbine High School were big, tough high school students, and under ordinary circumstances they would not have had the time of day for a police officer. They were not bad kids; they just had nothing to say to a cop. When the school was under attack, however, and SWAT teams were clearing the rooms and hallways, the officers had to physically peel those clinging, sobbing kids off of them. This is how the little lambs feel about their sheepdog when the wolf is at the door.



Look at what happened after September 11, 2001 when the wolf pounded hard on the door. Remember how America, more than ever before, felt differently about their law enforcement officers and military personnel? Remember how many times you heard the word hero?



Understand that there is nothing morally superior about being a sheepdog; it is just what you choose to be. Also understand that a sheepdog is a funny critter: He is always sniffing around out on the perimeter, checking the breeze, barking at things that go bump in the night, and yearning for a righteous battle. That is, the young sheepdogs yearn for a righteous battle. The old sheepdogs are a little older and wiser, but they move to the sound of the guns when needed right along with the young ones.



Here is how the sheep and the sheepdog think differently. The sheep pretend the wolf will never come, but the sheepdog lives for that day. After the attacks on September 11, 2001, most of the sheep, that is, most citizens in America said, “Thank God I wasn’t on one of those planes.” The sheepdogs, the warriors, said, “Dear God, I wish I could have been on one of those planes. Maybe I could have made a difference.” When you are truly transformed into a warrior and have truly invested yourself into warriorhood, you want to be there. You want to be able to make a difference.



There is nothing morally superior about the sheepdog, the warrior, but he does have one real advantage. Only one. And that is that he is able to survive and thrive in an environment that destroys 98 percent of the population.



There was research conducted a few years ago with individuals convicted of violent crimes. These cons were in prison for serious, predatory crimes of violence: assaults, murders and killing law enforcement officers. The vast majority said that they specifically targeted victims by body language: slumped walk, passive behavior and lack of awareness. They chose their victims like big cats do in Africa, when they select one out of the herd that is least able to protect itself.



However, when there were cues given by potential victims that indicated they would not go easily, the cons said that they would walk away. If the cons sensed that the target was a "counter-predator," that is, a sheepdog, they would leave him alone unless there was no other choice but to engage .One police officer told me that he rode a commuter train to work each day. One day, as was his usual, he was standing in the crowded car, dressed in blue jeans, T-shirt and jacket, holding onto a pole and reading a paperback.



At one of the stops, two street toughs boarded, shouting and cursing and doing every obnoxious thing possible to intimidate the other riders. The officer continued to read his book, though he kept a watchful eye on the two punks as they strolled along the aisle making comments to female passengers, and banging shoulders with men as they passed.



As they approached the officer, he lowered his novel and made eye contact with them. “You got a problem, man?” one of the IQ-challenged punks asked. “You think you’re tough, or somethin’?” the other asked, obviously offended that this one was not shirking away from them.



“As a matter of fact, I am tough,” the officer said, calmly and with a steady gaze.



The two looked at him for a long moment, and then without saying a word, turned and moved back down the aisle to continue their taunting of the other passengers, the sheep.



Some people may be destined to be sheep and others might be genetically primed to be wolves or sheepdogs. But I believe that most people can choose which one they want to be, and I’m proud to say that more and more Americans are choosing to become sheepdogs.



Seven months after the attack on September 11, 2001, Todd Beamer was honored in his hometown of Cranbury, New Jersey. Todd, as you recall, was the man on Flight 93 over Pennsylvania who called on his cell phone to alert an operator from United Airlines about the hijacking. When he learned of the other three passenger planes that had been used as weapons, Todd dropped his phone and uttered the words, “Let’s roll,” which authorities believe was a signal to the other passengers to confront the terrorist hijackers.



In one hour, a transformation occurred among the passengers – athletes, business people and parents from sheep to sheepdogs and together they fought the wolves, ultimately saving an unknown number of lives on the ground.



“Do you have any idea how hard it would be to live with yourself after that?”



“There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men.”

Edmund Burke



Here is the point I like to emphasize, especially to the thousands of police officers and soldiers I speak to each year. In nature the sheep, real sheep, are born as sheep. Sheepdogs are born that way, and so are wolves. They didn’t have a choice. But you are not a critter. As a human being, you can be whatever you want to be. It is a conscious, moral decision.



If you want to be a sheep, then you can be a sheep and that is okay, but you must understand the price you pay. When the wolf comes, you and your loved ones are going to die if there is not a sheepdog there to protect you. If you want to be a wolf, you can be one, but the sheepdogs are going hunt you down and you will never have rest, safety, trust or love. But if you want to be a sheepdog and walk the warrior’s path, then you must make a conscious and moral decision every day to dedicate, equip and prepare yourself to thrive in that toxic, corrosive moment when the wolf comes knocking at the door.



For example, many officers carry their weapons in church. They are well concealed in ankle holsters, shoulder holsters or inside-the-belt holsters tucked into the small of their backs. Anytime you go to some form of religious service, there is a very good chance that a police officer in your congregation is carrying. You will never know if there is such an individual in your place of worship, until the wolf appears to massacre you and your loved ones.



I was training a group of police officers in Texas, and during the break, one officer asked his friend if he carried his weapon in church. The other cop replied, “I will never be caught without my gun in church.” I asked why he felt so strongly about this, and he told me about a cop he knew who was at a church massacre in Ft. Worth, Texas in 1999. In that incident, a mentally deranged individual came into the church and opened fire, gunning down fourteen people. He said that officer believed he could have saved every life that day if he had been carrying his gun. His own son was shot, and all he could do was throw himself on the boy’s body and wait to die. That cop looked me in the eye and said, “Do you have any idea how hard it would be to live with yourself after that?”



Some individuals would be horrified if they knew this police officer was carrying a weapon in church. They might call him paranoid and would probably scorn him. Yet these same individuals would be enraged and would call for “heads to roll” if they found out that the airbags in their cars were defective, or that the fire extinguisher and fire sprinklers in their kids’ school did not work. They can accept the fact that fires and traffic accidents can happen and that there must be safeguards against them.



Their only response to the wolf, though, is denial, and all too often their response to the sheepdog is scorn and disdain. But the sheepdog quietly asks himself, “Do you have any idea how hard it would be to live with yourself if your loved ones attacked and killed, and you had to stand there helplessly because you were unprepared for that day?”



It’s denial that turns people into sheep. Sheep are psychologically destroyed by combat because their only defense is denial, which is counterproductive and destructive, resulting in fear, helplessness and horror when the wolf shows up.



Denial kills you twice.



It kills you once, at your moment of truth when you are not physically prepared: you didn’t bring your gun, you didn’t train. Your only defense was wishful thinking. Hope is not a strategy.



Denial kills you a second time because even if you do physically survive, you are psychologically shattered by your fear helplessness and horror at your moment of truth.



Gavin de Becker puts it like this in Fear Less, his superb post-9/11 book, which should be required reading for anyone trying to come to terms with our current world situation:



“...denial can be seductive, but it has an insidious side effect. For all the peace of mind deniers think they get by saying it isn’t so, the fall they take when faced with new violence is all the more unsettling.”



Denial is a save-now-pay-later scheme, a contract written entirely in small print, for in the long run, the denying person knows the truth on some level. And so the warrior must strive to confront denial in all aspects of his life, and prepare himself for the day when evil comes.



If you are a warrior who is legally authorized to carry a weapon and you step outside without that weapon, then you become a sheep, pretending that the bad man will not come today. No one can be “on” 24/7, for a lifetime.



Everyone needs down time. But if you are authorized to carry a weapon, and you walk outside without it, just take a deep breath, and say this to yourself... “Baa.”



This business of being a sheep or a sheep dog is not a yes-no dichotomy. It is not an all-or-nothing, either-or choice. It is a matter of degrees, a continuum.



On one end is an abject, head-in-the-sand-sheep and on the other end is the ultimate warrior. Few people exist completely on one end or the other. Most of us live somewhere in between. Since 9-11 almost everyone in America took a step up that continuum, away from denial. The sheep took a few steps toward accepting and appreciating their warriors and the warriors started taking their job more seriously. The degree to which you move up that continuum, away from “sheephood” and denial, is the degree to which you and your loved ones will survive, physically and psychologically at your moment of truth."



You know, I have a theory on these three types of people, and a couple other ones.



1. The sheep. This is the common variety, which has a product that the master wants (actually, two.. their wool and their meat), and thus puts sheepdogs out to protect the herd.



2. The wolves. These are the predators which hunt down the herd to feed their own ravenous appetites. They want only from them what they want at that moment, which is their meat, and do not attempt to actually herd them up and make a bounty from their wool.



3. The sheepdog. The unwitting servant of the master. It is for this reason that, when the master throws a stick out to them, they bring it back without question, and without knowledge of why they have to retrieve the stick. They merely follow the orders of the master.



4. The master. The bounty of the herd belongs solely to the master. He does not bribe the wolves with a few of their number to preserve the herd, nor does he share the bounty with their dogs. He acquires and disposes of the herd's bounty at his will, which may not be as bad as it seems, until the bounty becomes their meat.



5. The rattlesnake. The one that wants nothing to do with the herd, nor the master or his dogs, nor the wolves. All the rattlesnake wishes is to share the land with the herd, and leave them in peace. If they wish to not be peaceful, he bites them, and they die. Because of this, the rattlesnake is feared by the herd, despised by the wolves, and hated by the master. Though the sheepdog may stay away from them, the master will hunt them down mercilessly, merely because one of the sheep MAY (though probably will not) injure one of the herd.



Funny thing about these groups of beings are that the wolves are found in packs, the sheep are in herds, and sheepdogs are organized to stand with the master. Rattlesnakes are solitary creatures. Sound like anyone we know?
2007-08-23 18:33:01 UTC
Speak for yourself!

I am from the USA and DESPISE guns!!!


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